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Posted on May 23rd, 2017 at 06:12 woody Yesterday, I the mysterious “new” Windows XP patch KB 982316. There’s speculation all over the web that Microsoft is now patching Windows XP again. @abbodi86 dug in and: The digital signature of the downloaded file indicates that it’s still the same old one, “Monday, ‎June ‎14, ‎2010”.

So this is just a review/renew of the download page for some reason On the other hand, the new Malicious Software Removal Tool, KB 890830, is very real. An that it’s marked “Important” in Windows 7. The says that the program has changed, and the metadata has changed. @ch100 theorizes that it’s a WannaCry detector, which is confirmed in the Technet post: Update 5/22/2017: Today, we released an update to the Microsoft Malicious Software Removal Tool (MSRT) to detect and remove WannaCrypt malware. For customers that run Windows Update, the tool will detect and remove WannaCrypt and other prevalent malware infections. Customers can also manually download and run the tool by following the guidance.

The MSRT tool runs on all supported Windows machines where automatic updates are enabled, including those that aren’t running other Microsoft security products. As I’ve said many times over the past week, WannaCrypt only attacks Windows 7. No matter which version of Windows you have, you’d be well advised to run the new MSRT and see if it picks up any vestiges.

(Historical note: Microsoft’s sticking to the “WannaCrypt” name while most of the popular press has moved to “WannaCry.” I switched from WannaCrypt to WannaCry, too, in response to an edit. The worm calls itself “Wana Decrypt0r” with a zero.

Malware researchers pick their own names, and there’s no central authority assigning names to specific infections. It’s all about branding, folks — I guess “WannaCry” sounds more compelling.). I ran the MSRT about an hour ago. Selected a deep scan, which only took 35 minutes. The bottom line is why I remain in Group B.

During the scan, the pop-up window said it found two infected files; however, the final report (a feature normally not available in the monthly MSRT), which listed all the names of malware being searched for in the scan, said no infections were found. I have never seen a malware scan that shows infections found during the scan but then says “no infections found” in the final report. Typically, at the end of a scan, anti-malware programs issue a report on possible infections and then ask whether you want to quarantine or remove. Did MS actually find two infected files and remove them?

If so, I was not advised. The experience struck me as less than professional, certainly out-of-pattern for professional malware removal programs, and even out-of-pattern for how MS describes the method in which MSRT operates when it finds an infection.

Windows 7 sp1 64bit Group A Every month, when given the go ahead, I download and install the MSRT. I see in the update history it has been successful. KB890830 is the MSRT that I downloaded with the other May updates on May 21. I went ahead and did it again just now. Both sucessful. But when I go to installed updates I cannot find it listed.

I have search for it using the Start menu and searched the C: drive. I can’t find any MSRT’s. Where does it go and how do I run it? Thank you in advance. MPW Edit to remove HTML.

My understanding at least in respect of Windows 7 is that if you download MSRT through Windows Updates then it automatically runs in the background as soon as it is downloaded. I assume if it finds something amiss it will tell you, but otherwise it simply reports that it was successful. Alternatively, you can custom run it from the start menu. You can also save and/or run it manually outside of Windows Update. Hopefully someone will correct me if my understanding is wrong, or if the arrangements are different for other Windows versions. One more tryI tried THREE times to post this earlier today, NONE of them succeeded, hope this one does: Just downloaded the latest version of the MSRT that can be run manually. Ran it in quick scan mode, watched it for awhile and it showed 1 object detected. I left the room for 5 minutes and when I came back it was done scanning and said no infections found, as “grayslady” has mentioned.

I then did a search for any files that were created/modified ‘today’ and found a file named MRT.log located in the C: Windows debug folder. That log file showed no infections found.

I’ve included the MRT.log file, see below. So, it’s still questionable what the latest MSRT (at least the manually run version) is finding and removing. Found in C: Windows debug folder: ————————————————————————————— Microsoft Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool v5.48, May 2017 (build 5.48.13801.0) Started On Wed May 24 10: Engine: 1.1.13701.0 Signatures: 1.241.491.0 Run Mode: Interactive Graphical Mode Results Summary: —————- No infection found. Successfully Submitted MAPS Report Successfully Submitted Heartbeat Report Microsoft Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool Finished On Wed May 24 10: Return code: 0 (0x0).

One of the most stupid pieces of software of all times — and I’ve seen a lot. Downloaded and ran despite having cut all links with Microsoft. Scan took a full day and a half — 36 hours and 30 minutes. For 384 GB of data. I never experienced such a long antivirus scan. Longest I encountered was 6 to 8 hours with dreadful Avast.

And this Microsoft dump of code says it’s not even a proper anti-virus Then there’s the problem that you have to run it under admin. I don’t work under admin, following Microsoft’s own advice. Problem is, the scanning window shows only in the admin account. So during a whole day and a half, I had to switch constantly between my regular account and my admin user account, in order to check the advancement of operations. The rest of the time, I had to rely on Process Explorer to make sure the scan was still going on.

The last time I checked the scan window, it had run for 34 hours and 15 minutes, scanning 19 million files and finding 252 infected files. A stunning figure, since my Avast (or Malware) scans almost never bring up infections, at worst 3 or 4 PUPs in software executables. The progress bar had stopped moving a long time ago: it was stuck at 100%, but the scan went on all the same.

Oh, of course, no way to pause the scan. Either you go through with it from beginning to end, or you cancel it and (I suppose) you have to start from the beginning all over again. When finally the scan ended and I returned to the program, it displayed a new window with absolutely none of the information it showed while scanning. No way to know how many files had been scanned, how long it took, when it ended or what volumes had been checked.

This, despite the promise displayed at the previous stage, that it would show a detailed report at the end. Only showing was a list of malware (those the program checks against), and each of them had next to it the mention not infected. So, 252 infected files “detected” while scanning during a whole day and a half and a clean bill of health given at the end of the scan.

Which am I to believe? Then I read the list of malware it was supposed to detect. Wanna Crypt was not in it. So was all that rigmarole for nothing? Is it there under another name?

No way to know. I looked up the report which Microsoft hides in the location mentioned by SkipH — of course the program does not tell you it writes a report there.

That would be too much work for MS poor souls. Any freeware developed by a kid dumps a lot of information in such log files — not mighty Microsoft. The information did not even include the paltry information given during the scan. Only the time it was started. However, it did say I had consented to such and such snooping telemetry program and that the data was dutifully uploaded — which of course I had not. This reply was modified 1 year, 6 months ago.

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MSRT is one of the most bizarre pieces of software I’ve ever come across. MS has clearly skimped on its display due to the fact most people will never even lay eyes on it and even if they do they probably wont pay much attention to it. For the longest time I wasn’t even aware of its existence. Eventually, I got the news about what was really going on during one of those many times Windows Update seemed to be installing new updates for forever without telling me exactly what it was doing. You’ve really got to love the fact you cant even see the thing if you aren’t under your admin account. The lesson you learn from using it is if you already have a competent and working antivirus you don’t even really need to bother with it; especially if you have a huge hard drive or you’ve had problems with it in the past.

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After all, its just a “scanner” and really isn’t anywhere close to being a antivirus. At best its a somewhat acceptable second opinion that probably wont conflict with any antivirus you might be using. At worst its just a plain nuisance that barely detects anything. Sometimes it also says it detects stuff during scans that doesn’t even show up in its “report” after its done. I assume these detections are actually false positives that its been told not to display, but anyone’s guess is as good as mine. Michael Horowitz sheds some light on the issue: Apparently, there are two versions of MSRT beginning with the number 5.48, and only the last one detects Wanna Crypt.

For some reason, Microsoft kept the older one online after the official release date of the revised version, and that’s the one I got after reading Woody’s alert: The May 9th release was version 5.48.13801, the May 22nd edition is version 5.48.13803. The May 9th edition is 149MB (156,335,152 bytes), the May 22nd version is 126MB (132,223,576 bytes). What changed? Initially, Microsoft didn’t say, the, had not been updated as of the 25th.

However, when asked, a company representative said that the May 22nd update was “to detect and remove WannaCrypt malware.” WannaCrypt is another name for WannaCry. Incidentally, the size of the download I got is nowhere near either of the two figures given by Michael Horowitz. Another mystery I won’t invest much time into solving. Microsoft anti-virus tools are a horrible mess, that much is clear through Horowitz’ posts: MSRT is very limited in scope. Only two strains were added in all of 2017.

When Microsoft touts Windows Defender as protecting against WannaCry/WannaCrypt, how does that apply to Windows 7 users? The term “Windows Defender” has two meanings. When dealing with Windows 8.1 and 10, it refers to a program that defends against all types of malicious software.

When dealing with Windows 7, it refers to software that only protects against spyware. And so on and so forth. So many people misunderstand the DEFCON system. The low DEFCON number applies to the patches that are issued on or after the date that the DEFCON number was lowered until it is again raised. For example, Woody lowered the DEFCON number to 1 on June 1st.

So any patch issued after that (i.e., release date 6/1/2017 or after) i s on hold until it is again raised. If a patch was included prior to the lowering of the DEFCON number (i.e.when the DEFCON number was 3-5) it is deemed OK to install. (providing it has not been designated problematic).

In other words, any non- problematic patch released prior to June 1st is OK, no matter where the DEFCON number is. DEFCON 1 or 2 doesn’t mean “do not install ANY patch.” DEFCON 1 or 2 means “the patches released between this date and the next DEFCON 3-5 have not been tested, so hold off.” Any non-problematic patch included during DEFCON 3-5 is OK to install any time. This reply was modified 1 year, 6 months ago. This reply was modified 1 year, 6 months ago. I could not get MSRT to run a second time.

I suggested Avast Free if you ned anti-virus. It still runs on XP. Thanks again to you and glnz.

After MSE wouldn’t run on XP, I went back to my old standard–AVG. But one day it took over Firefox and Chrome. So I removed it and installed Panda. But that got unwieldy and I switched to Avast. Then everything started slowing down.

Now I have Avira. I only use it as a safety net, though. I scan with Malwarebytes and I installed their Malware Anti-Exploit. I know I should put the old XP machine to rest, but soon they’ll be telling me the same thing about this Win 7 box. I already caved in and went to Group-A, but our days are numbered. I run XP in a virtual machine so that I can run older applications that will not install/run correctly on Win 10.

I try to stay off the net with it, but feel better running with some protection. I have had good luck with Avast Free on this XP setup. It also comes with the Avast SafeZone browser, which is based on the Chrome rendering engine. Opera also works well on XP, and is based on the Chrome rendering engine as well. It seems that Google has pulled the support plug for Chrome on XP, and Firefox is ending support. On XP, I also run Malwarebytes 3.0 Free, and Malwarebytes Anti-exploit free beta. I had to stop using Chrome and went back to Firefox on the XP machine.

I installed Malwarebytes Anti-exploit when it was still free, before it became part of the premium (or beta) package. I was going to install it on the Win 7 machine also, but I was told that EMET was good enough. I certainly don’t want them bumping into each other. Is Avast Safety Zone actually a browser?

How does it compare to Opera? Thanks, Morty You can still get Anti-Exploit free here. Malwarebytes is going to continue supporting it as a perpetual beta.

Latest build posted May 12th. SafeZone is a browser that you can add/remove as an optional component through the Avast installer/uninstaller (change option). It has a “Banking Mode” that is like a really private zone that is basically locked down that you can enter with one click. Overall I think I like the Opera technology better, but a Chinese company bought the browser last year, so there are some possible concerns with privacy and such.

I am running Win 7 Pro, basically in Group A. A while back, posters noticed that MSRT had started sending reports – Heartbeat and MAPS, back to MS, and were concerned about what snooping was being done. At that time, I stopped downloading KB890830 from Windows Update.

I started to periodically download and run the MS Safety Scanner instead, which I understood to be the same engine as MSRT, but which did not appear to send back any reports, at least the log file does not say so. Current comments in this thread imply that MSRT should be run because of WannaCry. Are the snooping reports no longer considered problematical, or just the price to pay for using MSRT? Is MS Safety Scanner an acceptable replacement for MSRT?

I do run Norton NIS as my primary AV. Anon#120823, thank you for clarifying. I thought that might be the case, you had mentioned being happy with your Norton product, and obviously recognize that Microsoft offers these tools for the benefit of users that do not already make use of their proprietary scanning and removal tools that carry different names.

I am in the same boat as Woody, since I already use the Microsoft Security Essentials/Defender product, I find the MSRT to be a useless redundancy. But you have identified it may have MS Secret Sauce not available to Symantec. And further want to know a recommendation between two limited function scanners. Is their a lounger who can better split this hair? Without tearing down the drive?

Preferably one who uses Norton and has a sensitivity to telemetry, that may be a rather select group. I am in the same boat as Woody, since I already use the Microsoft Security Essentials/Defender product, I find the MSRT to be a useless redundancy. But you have identified it may have MS Secret Sauce not available to Symantec. And further want to know a recommendation between two limited function scanners. Is their a lounger who can better split this hair?

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Without tearing down the drive? Preferably one who uses Norton and has a sensitivity to telemetry, that may be a rather select group.

No longer have the ability to edit. When I saw this later, it read as though I spoke for Woody, which was not what I wanted to do. Took a while to locate, but this was the comment I had in mind at the time: Where Woody writes, “You can run the MSRT any time it appears. But realize that it almost never does anything. Personally, I don’t worry about it until I install the whole month’s patches.” There was another comment where he describes that he uses MSE.

If I find that I will add reference if appropriate. Also, given the chance I would change ‘their’ to ‘there’. The Point that I hope may be commented on is three fold: 1/ The various Microsoft protections that use the same engines and definitions are redundant, but provide different logs for reference after the fact, and, or, report to MS in different fashion.

2/ A User who prefers a competitor’s AV and other malware protection does not have the benefit of MS definitions unless they run one of the stand alone scanners provided by MS which are designed to not interfere with real-time protection. This became most important immediately following recent patch methods made necessary by WannaCrypt etc. 3/ Anon’s question, does the MS Safety Scanner still satisfy that need as well as MSRT does? The free Avira Antivirus is all you really need. I stopped being a fan of any “security suites” years ago, too bloated with features for my needs, and buy my products a la carte. Assembled in a best of breed manner.

If you want to step up from Avira free, the Avira Pro would be the way to go. I did that, but only for the support provided with the Pro license. Same AV protection as the free version, but they do include web and mail protection with Pro, which I disabled, as I have no need for that. So I essentially run Pro in the free mode, using only the real-time AV module, same as the free version. So free is good!!! Malwarebytes is not an antivirus.

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An AV such as Avira provides a signature based detection for malware. Even with the full version of Malwarebytes, I would still keep Avira. Malwarebytes marketing may claim that it “could” replace your AV, but I wouldn’t take a chance on that.

Even on their forums, when pressed for clarification, their staff even admits that they never stated that it was an antivirus. But as the other recommendations here stated, I run Malwarebytes set to the free on-demand scanner only. Good second opinion scanner, and can be set to look for rootkits also. I use Avira too, which in addition to the AV scanner (protection from malware, viruses, Trojans, worms, etc.) now has the real-time protection cloud (scans unknown files in real time for malware and exploits), and ransomware protection. IMHO, a good layered defense starts with a good AV, and then other products which can add additional measures that hopefully don’t overlap in too many ways (potential for conflicts).